1 00:00:08,120 --> 00:00:04,249 this is dr. Pamela gay from astronomy 2 00:00:11,120 --> 00:00:08,130 cast calm and from 365 days of astronomy 3 00:00:19,970 --> 00:00:11,130 0 RG you're listening to the skeptic 4 00:00:19,980 --> 00:00:29,260 change 5 00:00:29,270 --> 00:00:34,250 sick 6 00:00:39,900 --> 00:00:36,840 hello and welcome to this special 7 00:00:43,620 --> 00:00:39,910 episode of the zone for friday may 22nd 8 00:00:45,690 --> 00:00:43,630 2009 I'm dr. H E and I'm sitting at a 9 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:45,700 cafe in Sydney enjoying a coffee on a 10 00:00:51,390 --> 00:00:48,970 beautiful or today and today i present 11 00:00:54,330 --> 00:00:51,400 to you a girl zone episode of the think 12 00:00:57,299 --> 00:00:54,340 tank with a couple of special guests and 13 00:00:59,640 --> 00:00:57,309 my friends joanne been our mu and diane 14 00:01:02,040 --> 00:00:59,650 verstappen and we're going to be talking 15 00:01:05,189 --> 00:01:02,050 today about our recent experiences at 16 00:01:07,680 --> 00:01:05,199 the mind-body wallet festival the babies 17 00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:07,690 children's and pregnancy expo and lots 18 00:01:12,510 --> 00:01:10,450 of other interesting stuff so come with 19 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:12,520 me now to our favorite club and enjoy 20 00:01:36,450 --> 00:01:33,810 can you say and now it's time for what 21 00:01:41,100 --> 00:01:36,460 now you have to say and now it's time 22 00:01:45,710 --> 00:01:41,110 now it's time and a big in a big big 23 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:45,720 glass time for the think tank think tank 24 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:49,090 now it's time for the think tank why is 25 00:01:56,900 --> 00:01:54,490 called think feet tank think tank now 26 00:02:03,240 --> 00:01:56,910 it's time for think tanks say it again 27 00:02:06,210 --> 00:02:03,250 now it's time for the think tank join us 28 00:02:14,070 --> 00:02:06,220 now for drinking skeptically in the 29 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:14,080 think tank well hello listeners and 30 00:02:18,210 --> 00:02:16,090 welcome to this very special edition of 31 00:02:21,030 --> 00:02:18,220 the think tank tonight we have a 32 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:21,040 all-female think tank and with me 33 00:02:28,890 --> 00:02:24,850 tonight is Joe better mood and Diane 34 00:02:30,930 --> 00:02:28,900 Verstappen high and myself dr. rachy so 35 00:02:32,670 --> 00:02:30,940 welcome listeners and we've just come to 36 00:02:35,370 --> 00:02:32,680 our favorite club again tonight and 37 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:35,380 we've all recently we've also been to a 38 00:02:39,540 --> 00:02:37,810 couple of special festivals in Sydney so 39 00:02:41,670 --> 00:02:39,550 we thought we'd take this opportunity to 40 00:02:45,120 --> 00:02:41,680 share with you what we've come across 41 00:02:48,410 --> 00:02:45,130 recently and I should tell our listeners 42 00:02:51,750 --> 00:02:48,420 that Joe is actually a registered nurse 43 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:51,760 who works in a hospital in Sydney so 44 00:02:56,190 --> 00:02:54,370 she's got a good background to go and 45 00:02:58,560 --> 00:02:56,200 look at these kind of alternative woo 46 00:03:01,400 --> 00:02:58,570 sort of stuff and Diane is a 47 00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:01,410 physiotherapist who runs her own company 48 00:03:04,920 --> 00:03:03,250 do you want to tell our listeners a 49 00:03:06,449 --> 00:03:04,930 little bit about what you do Diane yeah 50 00:03:08,970 --> 00:03:06,459 I'm a registered physiotherapist but I 51 00:03:11,039 --> 00:03:08,980 actually work more as a behaviorist at 52 00:03:13,410 --> 00:03:11,049 the moment I work with children with 53 00:03:15,770 --> 00:03:13,420 mainly autism where I do behavioral 54 00:03:18,300 --> 00:03:15,780 intervention use behavior modification 55 00:03:19,740 --> 00:03:18,310 so Joe can you tell our list is a little 56 00:03:22,949 --> 00:03:19,750 bit about what you do work on a 57 00:03:24,509 --> 00:03:22,959 day-to-day basis yeah as some as I think 58 00:03:26,910 --> 00:03:24,519 we mentioned I'm a registered nurse and 59 00:03:32,700 --> 00:03:26,920 my specialty area is in gastroenterology 60 00:03:36,540 --> 00:03:32,710 and endoscopy and specifically I were 61 00:03:39,750 --> 00:03:36,550 with new nurses in our area to educate 62 00:03:41,430 --> 00:03:39,760 them about what we do and my personal 63 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:41,440 name with the people i work with is to 64 00:03:46,710 --> 00:03:43,090 just promote their own critical thinking 65 00:03:48,180 --> 00:03:46,720 skills as nursing professionals so that 66 00:03:50,340 --> 00:03:48,190 as they progress in their careers they 67 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:50,350 can um hopefully use those skills 68 00:03:56,070 --> 00:03:52,690 wherever they go and numb using the best 69 00:04:03,590 --> 00:03:56,080 evidence available and that's about it 70 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:05,310 saying because you could charge a 71 00:04:12,090 --> 00:04:09,970 nominally for that you just put a sign 72 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:12,100 up at the frontier house on the weekends 73 00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:18,250 that's Joe to June if you don't obtain 74 00:04:29,190 --> 00:04:27,490 see more faint enemy terrible my whole 75 00:04:31,050 --> 00:04:29,200 lot my whole life since I went into the 76 00:04:35,250 --> 00:04:31,060 specialty area or anyone wants to know 77 00:04:36,900 --> 00:04:35,260 is about enemy I should have got into 78 00:04:40,470 --> 00:04:36,910 you know something exciting like 79 00:04:45,270 --> 00:04:40,480 emergency me you know cardiology suck at 80 00:04:47,640 --> 00:04:45,280 the bottom and you actually tend to get 81 00:04:49,710 --> 00:04:47,650 a little bit cranky Joe you're quite new 82 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:49,720 to the skeptical Cena you we only met 83 00:04:54,090 --> 00:04:52,450 you quite recently through skeptics in 84 00:04:56,430 --> 00:04:54,100 the pub wasn't is that how you found ah 85 00:04:59,640 --> 00:04:56,440 no I actually I had known about the 86 00:05:01,620 --> 00:04:59,650 skeptics for years and I I'd gone 87 00:05:03,030 --> 00:05:01,630 overseas and just sort of forgot about 88 00:05:06,050 --> 00:05:03,040 things for a while and then came back to 89 00:05:09,390 --> 00:05:06,060 Australia and all this whew had been 90 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:09,400 bubbling away and bothering me and I 91 00:05:13,620 --> 00:05:11,530 decided to get back in touch with the 92 00:05:15,180 --> 00:05:13,630 skeptics again and I think there was a 93 00:05:16,380 --> 00:05:15,190 dinner meeting once I came on to the 94 00:05:18,090 --> 00:05:16,390 dinner meeting last year where Victor 95 00:05:19,770 --> 00:05:18,100 Stenger was talking I remember that it 96 00:05:22,500 --> 00:05:19,780 was a really great little introduction 97 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:22,510 to meeting everyone and um yeah came to 98 00:05:28,830 --> 00:05:24,610 skeptics in the pub and now I'm hooked 99 00:05:32,510 --> 00:05:28,840 yep so in front of Jo our listeners 100 00:05:36,090 --> 00:05:32,520 should know that she's got a plethora 101 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:36,100 over we'll lose the material because I'm 102 00:05:40,590 --> 00:05:38,410 we all a couple of weeks ago went to the 103 00:05:43,710 --> 00:05:40,600 mind-body wallet I mean spirit festival 104 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:43,720 in Sydney and there was this your first 105 00:05:47,260 --> 00:05:45,090 time 106 00:05:52,189 --> 00:05:47,270 yeah and can you give us some 107 00:05:55,070 --> 00:05:52,199 impressions of your experience um well 108 00:05:56,870 --> 00:05:55,080 it's it's one of those things where you 109 00:06:02,270 --> 00:05:56,880 you know going in there I didn't quite 110 00:06:04,670 --> 00:06:02,280 know what to expect it was um I think I 111 00:06:06,290 --> 00:06:04,680 Open Sesame definitely the word it's 112 00:06:07,340 --> 00:06:06,300 just it's really difficult because there 113 00:06:11,060 --> 00:06:07,350 are a lot of things about it that are 114 00:06:12,379 --> 00:06:11,070 quite innocuous and quiet yeah fun 115 00:06:15,260 --> 00:06:12,389 people seem to be enjoying themselves 116 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:15,270 there you know everyone everyone seems 117 00:06:18,710 --> 00:06:17,010 to be buying interesting little trinkets 118 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:18,720 but I just think there's a there's an 119 00:06:22,909 --> 00:06:20,370 undercurrent of things that are going on 120 00:06:25,190 --> 00:06:22,919 there that are worrying and the thing I 121 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:25,200 that I just came away from there feeling 122 00:06:31,190 --> 00:06:27,690 that there were a lot of things that 123 00:06:35,050 --> 00:06:31,200 were misrepresentations and were um yeah 124 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:38,270 touchy-feely everything's safe and 125 00:06:42,320 --> 00:06:40,050 natural and roll you know we're all 126 00:06:44,960 --> 00:06:42,330 looking after you wear these you know 127 00:06:46,490 --> 00:06:44,970 bad scientists and these evil doctors 128 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:46,500 are kind of you know pushing their 129 00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:49,770 potions and poisons and things on you 130 00:06:57,680 --> 00:06:51,570 but we have the answers for everything 131 00:07:01,730 --> 00:06:57,690 and people are I think quite credulous 132 00:07:03,409 --> 00:07:01,740 about some of the things that are being 133 00:07:05,450 --> 00:07:03,419 sort of pushed towards them as safe 134 00:07:07,430 --> 00:07:05,460 alternatives but isn't it isn't that 135 00:07:10,100 --> 00:07:07,440 ironic I mean you came of course is to 136 00:07:12,140 --> 00:07:10,110 die at the pregnancy mothers and babies 137 00:07:14,510 --> 00:07:12,150 yes where you went to last week but it 138 00:07:16,430 --> 00:07:14,520 amazes me that these people have this 139 00:07:18,020 --> 00:07:16,440 agenda that it's the big pharmaceutical 140 00:07:19,850 --> 00:07:18,030 companies and no and you know 141 00:07:22,430 --> 00:07:19,860 conventional medicine and doctors are 142 00:07:25,180 --> 00:07:22,440 evil as you say but on the other hand 143 00:07:28,190 --> 00:07:25,190 they're pushing its natural medicine and 144 00:07:30,710 --> 00:07:28,200 homeopathy and supplements and that is 145 00:07:32,570 --> 00:07:30,720 the multi-billion dollar industry yeah 146 00:07:34,129 --> 00:07:32,580 this needs to be this really strange I'm 147 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:34,139 really up struggled with that a lot 148 00:07:39,140 --> 00:07:35,930 because it just needs to be such a weird 149 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:39,150 I don't know what the word is we've hit 150 00:07:43,909 --> 00:07:42,330 people it's almost like that kind of I 151 00:07:47,300 --> 00:07:43,919 don't know if it I don't know if it is a 152 00:07:49,879 --> 00:07:47,310 false dichotomy where it's like you know 153 00:07:50,860 --> 00:07:49,889 science versus you know or scientific 154 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:50,870 medicine vs 155 00:07:57,400 --> 00:07:53,810 is natural medicine hmm um rather than 156 00:08:00,790 --> 00:07:57,410 any of these things with evidence is 157 00:08:02,710 --> 00:08:00,800 potentially a medicine as we talked 158 00:08:05,950 --> 00:08:02,720 about I can't remember who was it that 159 00:08:08,050 --> 00:08:05,960 said dumb and it really if it's found to 160 00:08:10,510 --> 00:08:08,060 be valid if we if we show with evidence 161 00:08:13,060 --> 00:08:10,520 that it's it's worthwhile then it's 162 00:08:15,400 --> 00:08:13,070 science well then medicine that's been 163 00:08:16,660 --> 00:08:15,410 proven to work is metaphysical medicine 164 00:08:18,580 --> 00:08:16,670 that's right i came over there is a 165 00:08:20,740 --> 00:08:18,590 clear exactly it's not alternative 166 00:08:22,900 --> 00:08:20,750 medicine it is medicine yeah so you know 167 00:08:25,810 --> 00:08:22,910 it's just such a strange thing in people 168 00:08:27,810 --> 00:08:25,820 people see um you know people have been 169 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:27,820 happy to go along to their doctors for 170 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:31,130 certain things and yet other things they 171 00:08:36,090 --> 00:08:34,130 will push away from I mean one example I 172 00:08:38,230 --> 00:08:36,100 think of was that recent case with that 173 00:08:39,670 --> 00:08:38,240 horrible case that we're seeing laid out 174 00:08:42,130 --> 00:08:39,680 in the media at the moment about that 175 00:08:45,280 --> 00:08:42,140 little baby whose parents treated her 176 00:08:48,220 --> 00:08:45,290 homeopathic alee include eczema and who 177 00:08:49,750 --> 00:08:48,230 died and I mean look obviously this is 178 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:49,760 what's being reported media but it seems 179 00:08:55,120 --> 00:08:52,250 that the mother went went to hospital to 180 00:08:57,430 --> 00:08:55,130 him the gallbladder removed I believe 181 00:09:00,070 --> 00:08:57,440 yes I suppose she has gallstones yeah 182 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:00,080 they were during India going to a lot of 183 00:09:05,350 --> 00:09:01,970 weddings and they had their daughter 184 00:09:08,110 --> 00:09:05,360 with them and the the mother came down 185 00:09:10,630 --> 00:09:08,120 with chronic sorry acute pain and she 186 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:10,640 went to a normal hospital to have her 187 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:13,130 treatment yes she got treatment yeah but 188 00:09:16,660 --> 00:09:14,450 they didn't get treatment for a little 189 00:09:18,430 --> 00:09:16,670 girl no and it was I think it was after 190 00:09:20,050 --> 00:09:18,440 that trip that when they flew back to 191 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:20,060 Australia the Payette the other 192 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:22,490 passengers reported is maybe did not 193 00:09:26,710 --> 00:09:25,010 stop screaming for the entire rib and 194 00:09:29,130 --> 00:09:26,720 they said that she looks like she'd been 195 00:09:32,500 --> 00:09:29,140 burnt or something cuz their skin was so 196 00:09:34,360 --> 00:09:32,510 broken and weeping you with some cases 197 00:09:35,560 --> 00:09:34,370 like that I think you know there's that 198 00:09:37,900 --> 00:09:35,570 other one that's going on at the moment 199 00:09:41,050 --> 00:09:37,910 which are I is not something that we 200 00:09:42,520 --> 00:09:41,060 could necessarily relate to to woo the 201 00:09:44,770 --> 00:09:42,530 other horrible case of child neglect 202 00:09:47,380 --> 00:09:44,780 that there I'm dealing with at the 203 00:09:49,810 --> 00:09:47,390 moment their little girl who died of 204 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:49,820 malnutrition yeah member seniors yeah in 205 00:09:54,490 --> 00:09:51,530 a most horrific state there's only nine 206 00:09:55,930 --> 00:09:54,500 kilos which is y a nine-year-old exactly 207 00:09:58,990 --> 00:09:55,940 it was appointed as that and she was 208 00:10:01,920 --> 00:09:59,000 severely below normal height as well 209 00:10:03,460 --> 00:10:01,930 yeah she later diagnosis of autism oh 210 00:10:05,740 --> 00:10:03,470 that's right 211 00:10:08,710 --> 00:10:05,750 yeah I just thought it was interesting 212 00:10:12,820 --> 00:10:08,720 that perhaps this is a similar situation 213 00:10:14,290 --> 00:10:12,830 where whatever the parents were doing in 214 00:10:15,940 --> 00:10:14,300 spite of the fact that the child was 215 00:10:17,800 --> 00:10:15,950 quite clearly dying in front of them 216 00:10:19,570 --> 00:10:17,810 there were they live they got to a point 217 00:10:21,430 --> 00:10:19,580 of no return where they just you know 218 00:10:22,870 --> 00:10:21,440 they couldn't admit that what they were 219 00:10:25,060 --> 00:10:22,880 doing was so horrific or you know 220 00:10:28,060 --> 00:10:25,070 perhaps these parents couldn't take 221 00:10:32,110 --> 00:10:28,070 their child to be treated for whatever 222 00:10:34,060 --> 00:10:32,120 it was because they with that immersed 223 00:10:35,470 --> 00:10:34,070 in whatever treatment or lack of 224 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:35,480 treatment they were giving a particular 225 00:10:39,250 --> 00:10:37,730 time apparently to today or yesterday in 226 00:10:42,190 --> 00:10:39,260 the court case the dad was actually very 227 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:42,200 robotic should I read that as hell at 228 00:10:47,470 --> 00:10:44,930 all which is stunning to me on the 229 00:10:49,870 --> 00:10:47,480 parkin you know I'm not a parent but how 230 00:10:52,930 --> 00:10:49,880 can anyone just let little girl just 231 00:10:55,600 --> 00:10:52,940 dive malnutrition not meeting you your 232 00:10:57,100 --> 00:10:55,610 own child so what was that I haven't 233 00:10:59,530 --> 00:10:57,110 heard this case they just didn't feed 234 00:11:02,230 --> 00:10:59,540 her this is a little girl who they found 235 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:02,240 she she died and I can't remember it was 236 00:11:06,610 --> 00:11:05,090 almost a year ago in 2007 and and the 237 00:11:10,450 --> 00:11:06,620 this is the thing is I can't I can't 238 00:11:13,650 --> 00:11:10,460 connect it to woo specifically but there 239 00:11:18,150 --> 00:11:13,660 was just something about the you know 240 00:11:21,070 --> 00:11:18,160 the way the parents were so incapable of 241 00:11:22,180 --> 00:11:21,080 either recognizing that there you know 242 00:11:24,460 --> 00:11:22,190 that what was happening with this child 243 00:11:26,590 --> 00:11:24,470 was so wrong well it was this little 244 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:26,600 girl who died of the expo was also I 245 00:11:31,540 --> 00:11:28,370 mean you know the doctors have said they 246 00:11:33,940 --> 00:11:31,550 have never seen a child so damaged bonus 247 00:11:36,520 --> 00:11:33,950 which could so easily have been treated 248 00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:36,530 with with medicine and in a similar case 249 00:11:41,590 --> 00:11:38,810 the doctors who all don't know there was 250 00:11:43,210 --> 00:11:41,600 a doctor or a pathologist we did the 251 00:11:44,890 --> 00:11:43,220 autopsy or whoever was it soars little 252 00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:44,900 girl who died of malnutrition similarly 253 00:11:51,070 --> 00:11:47,450 said they had never seen a child so 254 00:11:53,470 --> 00:11:51,080 malnourished in a Western society which 255 00:11:54,970 --> 00:11:53,480 could have easily been Drake to it you 256 00:11:57,220 --> 00:11:54,980 normally associate that sort of thing 257 00:11:59,020 --> 00:11:57,230 with religion or colors sort of things 258 00:12:01,270 --> 00:11:59,030 are you I mean there was there was that 259 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:01,280 story that I heard about recently the 260 00:12:05,740 --> 00:12:04,010 court case is currently underway where I 261 00:12:08,170 --> 00:12:05,750 can't remember where it happened but it 262 00:12:09,790 --> 00:12:08,180 was a nine-month-old child and because 263 00:12:10,790 --> 00:12:09,800 he wouldn't say our men at the end of 264 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:10,800 deals 265 00:12:15,500 --> 00:12:13,410 his parents um that stopped giving him 266 00:12:17,900 --> 00:12:15,510 food and water and then put him in a 267 00:12:19,639 --> 00:12:17,910 little suitcase with mothballs but they 268 00:12:22,370 --> 00:12:19,649 were convinced he was going to rise from 269 00:12:24,560 --> 00:12:22,380 the dead so the court case is going on 270 00:12:26,210 --> 00:12:24,570 now and the the defense is saying well 271 00:12:28,340 --> 00:12:26,220 okay we'll go through this court case 272 00:12:29,870 --> 00:12:28,350 but if he does does go through 273 00:12:32,930 --> 00:12:29,880 resurrection then we want all charges 274 00:12:35,230 --> 00:12:32,940 jobs hmm so you know but that's a that's 275 00:12:37,579 --> 00:12:35,240 a cult sort of thing but you don't 276 00:12:39,710 --> 00:12:37,589 usually associate what you're talking 277 00:12:40,970 --> 00:12:39,720 about with unless there's something like 278 00:12:42,440 --> 00:12:40,980 that involved yeah but and that's the 279 00:12:45,230 --> 00:12:42,450 thing is that hasn't actually come out 280 00:12:47,449 --> 00:12:45,240 at all and I just it just seemed so odd 281 00:12:49,100 --> 00:12:47,459 that I wondered with him you know maybe 282 00:12:50,900 --> 00:12:49,110 there was something there I mean I just 283 00:12:52,280 --> 00:12:50,910 you know there was another case a while 284 00:12:55,250 --> 00:12:52,290 ago that was in the paper about a little 285 00:12:57,199 --> 00:12:55,260 girl who was in foster care who died 286 00:13:02,329 --> 00:12:57,209 under similarly horrific circumstances 287 00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:02,339 where she was in is she had a knee 288 00:13:10,430 --> 00:13:05,970 infection oh and and became incredibly 289 00:13:12,230 --> 00:13:10,440 unwell she became septic and was 'can i 290 00:13:14,930 --> 00:13:12,240 think she was convulsing she was just 291 00:13:17,930 --> 00:13:14,940 terribly unwell and she ended up dying i 292 00:13:19,220 --> 00:13:17,940 think and again you know the family the 293 00:13:22,670 --> 00:13:19,230 people who were charged with this 294 00:13:24,620 --> 00:13:22,680 child's care just could not or would not 295 00:13:26,180 --> 00:13:24,630 deal with the problem and i just wonder 296 00:13:28,550 --> 00:13:26,190 whether these people just don't somehow 297 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:28,560 see what is in front of them and there's 298 00:13:34,579 --> 00:13:32,010 something where they just cannot i just 299 00:13:37,519 --> 00:13:34,589 cannot fathom how you can see a child in 300 00:13:40,490 --> 00:13:37,529 a state like that no for a long period 301 00:13:43,370 --> 00:13:40,500 of time hmm not I'm not do anything 302 00:13:46,069 --> 00:13:43,380 about it Diane key you went to the 303 00:13:49,699 --> 00:13:46,079 pregnancy expo last weekend and your 304 00:13:51,410 --> 00:13:49,709 your area is behavioral therapy and with 305 00:13:53,420 --> 00:13:51,420 an interest in autism yes that's correct 306 00:13:54,769 --> 00:13:53,430 so can you tell us a little bit about 307 00:13:59,180 --> 00:13:54,779 some of the way that you came across 308 00:14:00,920 --> 00:13:59,190 well I guess the most blakes and/or most 309 00:14:03,769 --> 00:14:00,930 annoying thing for me was that we went 310 00:14:05,420 --> 00:14:03,779 to saw their car or practice stand and 311 00:14:07,610 --> 00:14:05,430 asked in general a little bit of 312 00:14:10,130 --> 00:14:07,620 information about our vaccinations 313 00:14:12,740 --> 00:14:10,140 because as you know there's this whole 314 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:12,750 thing about vaccinations and autism and 315 00:14:16,639 --> 00:14:14,610 there was a magazine on a stand about 316 00:14:18,380 --> 00:14:16,649 with Jenny McCarthy and Jim Carrey's are 317 00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:18,390 asked what can you tell this is a 318 00:14:21,650 --> 00:14:20,610 chiropractor mind you what can you tell 319 00:14:23,660 --> 00:14:21,660 me about vaccinations 320 00:14:26,630 --> 00:14:23,670 and she said I you should go to the 321 00:14:30,650 --> 00:14:26,640 avian website which website the avian 322 00:14:32,810 --> 00:14:30,660 whoops Oh vaccination network that's the 323 00:14:34,670 --> 00:14:32,820 one yeah right we're good friends with 324 00:14:37,220 --> 00:14:34,680 their mamas right so us a little bit 325 00:14:39,250 --> 00:14:37,230 more information about just vaccinations 326 00:14:41,600 --> 00:14:39,260 that our parents have a choice and you 327 00:14:43,130 --> 00:14:41,610 should read up when your information and 328 00:14:45,470 --> 00:14:43,140 then she talked about that there was 329 00:14:49,580 --> 00:14:45,480 research so I asked about the andrew 330 00:14:51,110 --> 00:14:49,590 wakefield study and she but did you did 331 00:14:53,450 --> 00:14:51,120 you say that every way field study or 332 00:14:55,130 --> 00:14:53,460 you just said what is denied am a little 333 00:14:56,360 --> 00:14:55,140 bit stream lines initially asked about 334 00:14:58,550 --> 00:14:56,370 what she could tell me about the 335 00:15:00,020 --> 00:14:58,560 research that was involved and then she 336 00:15:01,490 --> 00:15:00,030 said oh there's lots of research in both 337 00:15:03,140 --> 00:15:01,500 so I asked specifically about the andrew 338 00:15:04,400 --> 00:15:03,150 wakefield study she says yes and I said 339 00:15:07,390 --> 00:15:04,410 did you know that that was actually 340 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:07,400 debunked and discredited and she goes oh 341 00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:10,170 no I didn't know that so then we started 342 00:15:16,940 --> 00:15:12,570 talking about but then she sort we had 343 00:15:18,500 --> 00:15:16,950 to walk away because of a good so yeah 344 00:15:22,340 --> 00:15:18,510 that was how I felt walking away from a 345 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:22,350 lot of the stuff the mind body etc first 346 00:15:25,490 --> 00:15:24,570 of all it's funny isn't it because the 347 00:15:26,300 --> 00:15:25,500 first time i went to the 348 00:15:28,340 --> 00:15:26,310 mind-body-spirit festival 349 00:15:33,740 --> 00:15:28,350 richardsaunders actually direct me along 350 00:15:36,620 --> 00:15:33,750 and I think I i ended up so angry that i 351 00:15:39,110 --> 00:15:36,630 would shaky literally and he had to drag 352 00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:39,120 me up into a corner and calm me down for 353 00:15:42,530 --> 00:15:41,250 about 10 or 20 minutes which doesn't 354 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:42,540 sound too dissimilar from how you were 355 00:15:46,940 --> 00:15:44,250 gonna be when she because that was right 356 00:15:49,880 --> 00:15:46,950 after you'd been to the channel 7 debate 357 00:15:52,430 --> 00:15:49,890 oh yeah that's true yeah that's true no 358 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:52,440 I have if I was if you thought i was bad 359 00:15:56,870 --> 00:15:53,970 last one you haven't seen anything 360 00:15:59,480 --> 00:15:56,880 compared to the first time and i think 361 00:16:02,660 --> 00:15:59,490 the second time I went we went to see 362 00:16:05,060 --> 00:16:02,670 the life blood analysis people and they 363 00:16:06,890 --> 00:16:05,070 had a big poster behind their stall that 364 00:16:09,290 --> 00:16:06,900 said scientifically proven or 365 00:16:12,020 --> 00:16:09,300 scientifically demonstrated or something 366 00:16:14,840 --> 00:16:12,030 and so we did what we always do we play 367 00:16:17,420 --> 00:16:14,850 dumb and ask them what their scientific 368 00:16:18,890 --> 00:16:17,430 proven he meant and she'd already given 369 00:16:20,180 --> 00:16:18,900 us a powerful at that stage so we were 370 00:16:22,340 --> 00:16:20,190 having a look through it and then we 371 00:16:24,350 --> 00:16:22,350 were asking his sights scientific 372 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:24,360 questions and you could just see 373 00:16:28,160 --> 00:16:26,610 something click in her brain and she 374 00:16:30,530 --> 00:16:28,170 looked at both of us and she snatched 375 00:16:32,590 --> 00:16:30,540 the pamphlet back and she says what are 376 00:16:34,240 --> 00:16:32,600 you doing what are you doctors 377 00:16:37,110 --> 00:16:34,250 you from the are you from the government 378 00:16:39,910 --> 00:16:37,120 and she eats farmers Stooges no she 379 00:16:40,809 --> 00:16:39,920 accused us or she asked us if we were 380 00:16:43,240 --> 00:16:40,819 from the Therapeutic Goods 381 00:16:44,740 --> 00:16:43,250 Administration mmm which is the 382 00:16:48,189 --> 00:16:44,750 australian government's legislative 383 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:48,199 board for healthcare so how guilty does 384 00:16:52,480 --> 00:16:50,810 that make you look if you think you've 385 00:16:54,699 --> 00:16:52,490 been sprung by the government for doing 386 00:16:56,290 --> 00:16:54,709 things illegal and you snatch back have 387 00:16:58,210 --> 00:16:56,300 foot and go are you from the government 388 00:16:59,650 --> 00:16:58,220 so these people have any actual metal 389 00:17:03,879 --> 00:16:59,660 medical degrees or any medical 390 00:17:06,370 --> 00:17:03,889 background they didn't sorry know what 391 00:17:09,039 --> 00:17:06,380 the deal is with my clients that I see 392 00:17:11,620 --> 00:17:09,049 they they go and see actual gps or maybe 393 00:17:13,390 --> 00:17:11,630 with medical degrees and they adhere to 394 00:17:16,510 --> 00:17:13,400 certain protocols one is the Dan 395 00:17:18,669 --> 00:17:16,520 protocol and parents pay off one client 396 00:17:21,579 --> 00:17:18,679 just recently they paid a thousand 397 00:17:23,319 --> 00:17:21,589 dollars to get a consult and they just 398 00:17:25,659 --> 00:17:23,329 didn't get anything out of it they just 399 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:25,669 did not get anything out there just talk 400 00:17:30,610 --> 00:17:27,890 rubbish this is this is the protocol 401 00:17:33,159 --> 00:17:30,620 that you sent me the website of and it 402 00:17:34,990 --> 00:17:33,169 involves that bio medical intervention I 403 00:17:39,399 --> 00:17:35,000 medical intervention that's the Jenny 404 00:17:41,190 --> 00:17:39,409 McCarthy insulation really anything you 405 00:17:44,110 --> 00:17:41,200 name it I mean there's so many different 406 00:17:45,669 --> 00:17:44,120 protocols out there that are you know 407 00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:45,679 and parent just pay lots of money and 408 00:17:48,970 --> 00:17:47,450 think what what the worst part that I 409 00:17:51,460 --> 00:17:48,980 find is that these people actually have 410 00:17:52,899 --> 00:17:51,470 medical degrees mmm they are GPS they 411 00:17:56,140 --> 00:17:52,909 have some medical background and they 412 00:17:58,960 --> 00:17:56,150 still do this too unfortunately goble 413 00:18:00,549 --> 00:17:58,970 parents because they have you know who 414 00:18:04,029 --> 00:18:00,559 have these degrees parents believe them 415 00:18:07,590 --> 00:18:04,039 but do you think these doctors believe 416 00:18:10,419 --> 00:18:07,600 what they're doing yes they believe all 417 00:18:12,250 --> 00:18:10,429 this is the thing that I had an email 418 00:18:14,440 --> 00:18:12,260 yesterday and I mentioned this before we 419 00:18:18,070 --> 00:18:14,450 started recording from a surgeon in from 420 00:18:20,169 --> 00:18:18,080 New South Wales and he pointed out to me 421 00:18:23,680 --> 00:18:20,179 a few episodes ago on the think tank 422 00:18:24,669 --> 00:18:23,690 I've mentioned that that part of the 423 00:18:27,070 --> 00:18:24,679 training that you get at med school 424 00:18:29,860 --> 00:18:27,080 doesn't involve critical thinking and as 425 00:18:32,620 --> 00:18:29,870 a scientist that is your job so my 426 00:18:35,080 --> 00:18:32,630 opinion was that we are better trained 427 00:18:37,659 --> 00:18:35,090 in critical thinking then doctors or 428 00:18:39,310 --> 00:18:37,669 clinicians per se because much of their 429 00:18:40,630 --> 00:18:39,320 job doesn't involve sitting down and 430 00:18:44,440 --> 00:18:40,640 critically analyzing things like 431 00:18:45,910 --> 00:18:44,450 scientific papers and he fairly he 432 00:18:49,060 --> 00:18:45,920 criticized me fairly and said 433 00:18:51,610 --> 00:18:49,070 I don't think that's entirely true you 434 00:18:55,420 --> 00:18:51,620 know I do have critical thinking we do 435 00:18:57,070 --> 00:18:55,430 get trained at blah blah but it's you 436 00:18:58,480 --> 00:18:57,080 know and I absolutely think that's right 437 00:18:59,620 --> 00:18:58,490 and so I said to him you should come on 438 00:19:01,900 --> 00:18:59,630 the show and talk about it and I still 439 00:19:03,580 --> 00:19:01,910 you know the invitation still there but 440 00:19:05,980 --> 00:19:03,590 then you do get people like that that's 441 00:19:07,150 --> 00:19:05,990 right and I mean there's always bad 442 00:19:10,360 --> 00:19:07,160 apples in any profession that's 443 00:19:13,060 --> 00:19:10,370 absolutely true but you know we have 444 00:19:15,550 --> 00:19:13,070 enough problems with people like at the 445 00:19:17,170 --> 00:19:15,560 mind-body wallet who lend legitimacy to 446 00:19:19,330 --> 00:19:17,180 their products by using scientific 447 00:19:21,790 --> 00:19:19,340 terminology even though they're an ND 448 00:19:25,120 --> 00:19:21,800 possibly a doctor of naturopathy or not 449 00:19:27,340 --> 00:19:25,130 a doctor but what how can you explain it 450 00:19:29,590 --> 00:19:27,350 to laymen when it's actually a medical 451 00:19:31,810 --> 00:19:29,600 doctor who has you know eight years of 452 00:19:33,670 --> 00:19:31,820 training it's released in turn causes 453 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:33,680 registrar plus everything else but I 454 00:19:39,390 --> 00:19:37,010 found aha I find it very trying to see 455 00:19:41,650 --> 00:19:39,400 how anyone with a medical training a 456 00:19:44,830 --> 00:19:41,660 medical degree as opposed to just a 457 00:19:46,980 --> 00:19:44,840 medical background any allied health or 458 00:19:49,870 --> 00:19:46,990 anything like that it's just you know 459 00:19:52,990 --> 00:19:49,880 working with doctors every day and 460 00:19:56,380 --> 00:19:53,000 hearing the way they speak research is 461 00:19:58,840 --> 00:19:56,390 their language I mean they they talk 462 00:20:00,880 --> 00:19:58,850 clinical trials they talk evidence all 463 00:20:03,490 --> 00:20:00,890 the time I mean just listening to them 464 00:20:05,290 --> 00:20:03,500 all you ever hear is this study said 465 00:20:07,780 --> 00:20:05,300 that and that's that he said that you 466 00:20:09,700 --> 00:20:07,790 know they're reading literature all the 467 00:20:12,940 --> 00:20:09,710 time well I don't see the same thing in 468 00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:12,950 nursing whatsoever and you know one of 469 00:20:17,500 --> 00:20:14,330 the things that I really would love to 470 00:20:19,990 --> 00:20:17,510 see nurses doing more is being you know 471 00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:20,000 being aware of what's in literature and 472 00:20:27,670 --> 00:20:25,250 being you know being familiar with how 473 00:20:29,230 --> 00:20:27,680 to read a study how to actually tell 474 00:20:32,950 --> 00:20:29,240 whether something is actually a valid 475 00:20:34,510 --> 00:20:32,960 treatment or or not and you know morph 476 00:20:36,220 --> 00:20:34,520 and then not if I'm going to see 477 00:20:38,980 --> 00:20:36,230 something associated with whooo it'll 478 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:38,990 probably would be coming from you know a 479 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:41,930 nursing or or you know a similar type of 480 00:20:46,810 --> 00:20:45,170 area and the um I mean I i I've never 481 00:20:48,850 --> 00:20:46,820 forgotten and I think I've told you to 482 00:20:51,430 --> 00:20:48,860 store it before I you know years ago 483 00:20:55,590 --> 00:20:51,440 when I was working in London I am I was 484 00:20:58,460 --> 00:20:55,600 working in radiology and I had to 485 00:21:00,779 --> 00:20:58,470 supervise patients who'd had dumb 486 00:21:04,140 --> 00:21:00,789 analgesia who had pain relief for a 487 00:21:06,360 --> 00:21:04,150 particular procedure and the patient was 488 00:21:09,029 --> 00:21:06,370 having a treatment for a kidney stone 489 00:21:11,039 --> 00:21:09,039 and we were in a very quiet dark room 490 00:21:13,650 --> 00:21:11,049 and the radiographer who was actually 491 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:13,660 giving the treatment was you know doing 492 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:15,850 her thing and I was sitting there 493 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:18,250 quietly just monitoring the patient and 494 00:21:22,260 --> 00:21:20,410 the next thing i knew and the patient 495 00:21:24,299 --> 00:21:22,270 was quite sleepy at that point lying 496 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:24,309 face down the next thing i knew the 497 00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:32,010 radiographer started mad patient 498 00:21:39,210 --> 00:21:36,850 furiously up and down watching this and 499 00:21:41,340 --> 00:21:39,220 despite the fact that i was really 500 00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:41,350 giggling on the inside I really wanted 501 00:21:46,169 --> 00:21:43,570 to say to her have you gotten this 502 00:21:56,310 --> 00:21:46,179 person's informed consent for working 503 00:22:01,860 --> 00:21:56,320 with their energy field what was she 504 00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:01,870 purporting look III think going by um 505 00:22:04,890 --> 00:22:03,610 you know what I've managed to get hold 506 00:22:07,350 --> 00:22:04,900 of in the nursing literature about 507 00:22:10,409 --> 00:22:07,360 therapeutic times i think it probably 508 00:22:13,049 --> 00:22:10,419 was either that or reiki or something 509 00:22:19,860 --> 00:22:13,059 like that but the thing was that even if 510 00:22:25,140 --> 00:22:19,870 even if you all those eyes are crossing 511 00:22:27,180 --> 00:22:25,150 your interfering with someone's 512 00:22:35,090 --> 00:22:27,190 imaginary energy fields you gotta at 513 00:22:39,529 --> 00:22:35,100 least did she find it strange that you 514 00:22:42,659 --> 00:22:39,539 questioned what she was doing um no no 515 00:22:45,419 --> 00:22:42,669 she just sushi did in fact I can't I 516 00:22:47,370 --> 00:22:45,429 don't recall too strongly what our 517 00:22:50,789 --> 00:22:47,380 conversation was yeah I think I was just 518 00:22:52,409 --> 00:22:50,799 a gobsmacked die but you know and I 519 00:22:55,140 --> 00:22:52,419 haven't I haven't really in fact I think 520 00:22:57,149 --> 00:22:55,150 Richard may have asked me before about 521 00:22:59,490 --> 00:22:57,159 therapeutic touch and whether I'd seen I 522 00:23:01,860 --> 00:22:59,500 have seen much of it in nursing and to 523 00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:01,870 be honest I think that in Australia we 524 00:23:08,360 --> 00:23:04,530 are a lot freer of it then 525 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:08,370 what is in America in nursing but that 526 00:23:12,950 --> 00:23:10,410 being said i mean i remember when i when 527 00:23:15,770 --> 00:23:12,960 i did my degree at uni i remember saying 528 00:23:18,350 --> 00:23:15,780 there are a few of my my peers who were 529 00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:18,360 you know Reiki practitioners and you 530 00:23:22,190 --> 00:23:20,250 know i remember someone doing one of the 531 00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:22,200 just people were always dabbling some 532 00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:25,410 some form of room and it's not something 533 00:23:29,630 --> 00:23:27,330 i've come across this version in my 534 00:23:33,350 --> 00:23:29,640 medical colleagues it's just you know 535 00:23:36,260 --> 00:23:33,360 things like star signs and all sorts of 536 00:23:38,690 --> 00:23:36,270 nonsense i def definitely would see more 537 00:23:40,430 --> 00:23:38,700 of an you know in my nursing colleagues 538 00:23:43,360 --> 00:23:40,440 in my medical colleagues and i think 539 00:23:45,530 --> 00:23:43,370 there is something there to do with just 540 00:23:47,300 --> 00:23:45,540 critical thinking and you think it's 541 00:23:50,030 --> 00:23:47,310 about do you think that's lacking in the 542 00:23:52,670 --> 00:23:50,040 university degree the nurses or Walter 543 00:23:56,990 --> 00:23:52,680 look it's been I mean it's been how long 544 00:24:01,610 --> 00:23:57,000 now I I mean I finished my degree about 545 00:24:03,710 --> 00:24:01,620 eight years ago now and certainly we did 546 00:24:06,830 --> 00:24:03,720 you know we we did of course part of the 547 00:24:09,890 --> 00:24:06,840 nursing degree was in research you learn 548 00:24:12,710 --> 00:24:09,900 how to conduct nursing research you do 549 00:24:16,190 --> 00:24:12,720 learn how to dissect a study but it's 550 00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:16,200 not um I don't think it's at that point 551 00:24:21,500 --> 00:24:18,930 it was very well carried through and you 552 00:24:26,360 --> 00:24:21,510 know I've done postgraduate study since 553 00:24:29,630 --> 00:24:26,370 then and I think you know just partly my 554 00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:29,640 own scientific interest has has driven 555 00:24:33,740 --> 00:24:31,530 me to maintain that kind of focus in 556 00:24:35,090 --> 00:24:33,750 what I'm doing but I can't say for 557 00:24:37,180 --> 00:24:35,100 certain whether it's something that 558 00:24:42,590 --> 00:24:37,190 forms the basis of the nursing training 559 00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:42,600 I think it could also be I think you can 560 00:24:46,940 --> 00:24:44,490 also see differences in different areas 561 00:24:48,860 --> 00:24:46,950 and different subspecialties and that 562 00:24:51,100 --> 00:24:48,870 may be the same thing also in medicine 563 00:24:53,210 --> 00:24:51,110 as well in different areas you may see 564 00:24:56,030 --> 00:24:53,220 different things so for example in 565 00:24:58,610 --> 00:24:56,040 breast cancer work there's a lot or in 566 00:25:02,090 --> 00:24:58,620 HIV you would see a lot more in the way 567 00:25:05,990 --> 00:25:02,100 of whoo because you know as we know 568 00:25:08,540 --> 00:25:06,000 people who have got cancer or HIV or 569 00:25:11,650 --> 00:25:08,550 any-any serve or any incurable to think 570 00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:11,660 you will see hargett exactly exactly and 571 00:25:20,370 --> 00:25:14,850 speaking of incurable diseases we did 572 00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:23,230 Chris a team at the recent my body 573 00:25:28,169 --> 00:25:25,610 wallet festival jovi you and I attended 574 00:25:30,250 --> 00:25:28,179 we came across the standard was 575 00:25:33,610 --> 00:25:30,260 purporting to cure incurable diseases 576 00:25:35,590 --> 00:25:33,620 and what were they going to do how are 577 00:25:38,140 --> 00:25:35,600 they going to do that well alkaline 578 00:25:41,740 --> 00:25:38,150 water when years bricked up and I 579 00:25:45,910 --> 00:25:41,750 thought elf clean water that sounds 580 00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:45,920 rather odd is there something they're 581 00:25:51,940 --> 00:25:49,490 not telling me um so I asked him it more 582 00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:51,950 about it and he said well yeah in fact 583 00:25:56,890 --> 00:25:53,090 he actually even looked a little bit 584 00:25:58,870 --> 00:25:56,900 sheepish and he said you know you know 585 00:26:01,299 --> 00:25:58,880 if you if your body is too acidic it can 586 00:26:03,790 --> 00:26:01,309 cause cancer oh the whole thing with 587 00:26:07,210 --> 00:26:03,800 this water seems to be that you know if 588 00:26:12,580 --> 00:26:07,220 you use normal tap water or any type of 589 00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:12,590 water its acidic mostly and according to 590 00:26:18,490 --> 00:26:15,530 this some this organization and a number 591 00:26:20,799 --> 00:26:18,500 of others who are promoting this idea if 592 00:26:22,900 --> 00:26:20,809 our bodies are too acidic all sorts of 593 00:26:25,049 --> 00:26:22,910 horrible things can happen to us which 594 00:26:29,830 --> 00:26:25,059 is really bizarre it is doing such a 595 00:26:32,020 --> 00:26:29,840 complete distortion of physiology or 596 00:26:34,990 --> 00:26:32,030 what is the CAG what's the ph of the 597 00:26:36,730 --> 00:26:35,000 stomach all exactly it's about to write 598 00:26:38,980 --> 00:26:36,740 yeah so if you take a bottle of 599 00:26:40,870 --> 00:26:38,990 expensive alkaline water and stick it 600 00:26:43,210 --> 00:26:40,880 down your gob it goes into your stomach 601 00:26:44,919 --> 00:26:43,220 which is ph 2 and guess what happens to 602 00:26:47,110 --> 00:26:44,929 it it's no longer alkaline it's a 603 00:26:49,060 --> 00:26:47,120 sitting exactly yeah and I just 604 00:26:51,549 --> 00:26:49,070 sometimes I wonder whether there's some 605 00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:51,559 happy I mean I actually I got so 606 00:26:56,350 --> 00:26:53,170 hysterical over this after the 607 00:26:58,780 --> 00:26:56,360 experience of the UM at the stall in 608 00:27:00,910 --> 00:26:58,790 question well and in fact our 609 00:27:03,669 --> 00:27:00,920 experiences at the stalwart were quite 610 00:27:05,710 --> 00:27:03,679 bizarre but they were below i mean you 611 00:27:10,030 --> 00:27:05,720 know i went in the store with you know 612 00:27:13,510 --> 00:27:10,040 very um very innocently an open mind not 613 00:27:18,130 --> 00:27:13,520 i mean look the fact that they had a 614 00:27:21,710 --> 00:27:18,140 great big sign up saying um saying find 615 00:27:24,770 --> 00:27:21,720 out how water can cure incurable disease 616 00:27:26,270 --> 00:27:24,780 is I mean you know if you want if you 617 00:27:32,660 --> 00:27:26,280 want to skeptics come running that's a 618 00:27:34,790 --> 00:27:32,670 good way you know all the other all the 619 00:27:37,100 --> 00:27:34,800 other stores we went to on the day they 620 00:27:39,530 --> 00:27:37,110 were welcoming you know even if what 621 00:27:42,230 --> 00:27:39,540 they were trying to sell you or trying 622 00:27:44,810 --> 00:27:42,240 to push on you was nonsense they would 623 00:27:46,700 --> 00:27:44,820 they engaged with you and my experience 624 00:27:48,410 --> 00:27:46,710 of this particular saw was really 625 00:27:51,500 --> 00:27:48,420 unpleasant it was actually a really 626 00:27:53,330 --> 00:27:51,510 horrible experience because the UM there 627 00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:53,340 were three people running the store one 628 00:27:58,100 --> 00:27:55,410 of there were two young men and an older 629 00:28:01,280 --> 00:27:58,110 man and the young men seemed to be the 630 00:28:04,130 --> 00:28:01,290 ones who were the salesman and when you 631 00:28:06,340 --> 00:28:04,140 ask them anything more in depth then 632 00:28:11,530 --> 00:28:06,350 tell me how I can kill my cancer and 633 00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:14,270 yeah if you ask them anything more 634 00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:17,610 in-depth than that well they just fell 635 00:28:21,290 --> 00:28:19,290 apart of the seams because they they 636 00:28:23,150 --> 00:28:21,300 they couldn't actually answer any of 637 00:28:24,410 --> 00:28:23,160 your questions and so when when I 638 00:28:26,060 --> 00:28:24,420 started pushing them for more 639 00:28:29,360 --> 00:28:26,070 information they directed me to the 640 00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:29,370 older gentleman and the older gentleman 641 00:28:32,090 --> 00:28:30,810 reminded me of them I don't know if 642 00:28:34,210 --> 00:28:32,100 you've ever seen I don't know why he 643 00:28:38,450 --> 00:28:34,220 reminded me of you you know that guy who 644 00:28:41,150 --> 00:28:38,460 is one of those are those people who use 645 00:28:43,730 --> 00:28:41,160 his body modification to to look like an 646 00:28:45,140 --> 00:28:43,740 animal and he's this jet he's this man 647 00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:45,150 he's like you know he's got leopard 648 00:28:54,350 --> 00:28:50,130 teeth and he's got you know oh noes what 649 00:28:56,090 --> 00:28:54,360 and any reminded me of this guy yeah i'm 650 00:28:58,850 --> 00:28:56,100 i went up to have an item look can you 651 00:29:00,740 --> 00:28:58,860 can you please just tell me how how this 652 00:29:03,110 --> 00:29:00,750 works i mean your science is you can 653 00:29:04,910 --> 00:29:03,120 cure incurable diseases and you know I 654 00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:04,920 fitting that I had a friend who had 655 00:29:10,670 --> 00:29:07,290 cancer and how could this could this 656 00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:10,680 cure their cancer because by crikey I 657 00:29:18,470 --> 00:29:14,970 wanted and it also says so so he got 658 00:29:20,630 --> 00:29:18,480 really irate and sort of aggressive and 659 00:29:25,970 --> 00:29:20,640 started thrusting bits of paper at me 660 00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:25,980 and saying I am the new what was it hang 661 00:29:32,610 --> 00:29:27,370 on I've got his little 662 00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:32,620 pamphlet I am the new species you see 663 00:29:37,740 --> 00:29:35,290 the thing is that we I know this guy we 664 00:29:40,460 --> 00:29:37,750 know every time bizarre I mean when you 665 00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:40,470 read his little pamphlet it is 666 00:29:45,090 --> 00:29:42,850 unintelligible I mean honestly you 667 00:29:47,310 --> 00:29:45,100 cannot you cannot understand half of 668 00:29:48,750 --> 00:29:47,320 what he's saying that I know what the 669 00:29:51,750 --> 00:29:48,760 thing that loads me about this guy is 670 00:29:53,100 --> 00:29:51,760 last mind body spirit they have been 671 00:29:54,870 --> 00:29:53,110 every six months he was there and he was 672 00:30:00,330 --> 00:29:54,880 doing a talk and the speakers can make 673 00:30:03,470 --> 00:30:00,340 and he's such a nice looking old man you 674 00:30:06,090 --> 00:30:03,480 know and he he says that he had cancer 675 00:30:07,770 --> 00:30:06,100 terminal bowel cancer or something liver 676 00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:07,780 cancer liver cancer when she cured 677 00:30:12,210 --> 00:30:09,850 through drinking this mention water but 678 00:30:15,270 --> 00:30:12,220 he's a nice cute little swinging like 679 00:30:17,190 --> 00:30:15,280 guy and he looks like your grandpa I 680 00:30:18,630 --> 00:30:17,200 want to feel sorry for you so I have 681 00:30:20,430 --> 00:30:18,640 this real problem in my head because I 682 00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:20,440 look at him and I think oh you're so 683 00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:22,210 sweet and nice and then there's an 684 00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:25,450 underlying current yeah of scary if 685 00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:27,970 scariness yeah and the thing that was 686 00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:30,250 funny about that stall was that there 687 00:30:35,220 --> 00:30:32,050 was a hot there were a few of us asking 688 00:30:38,130 --> 00:30:35,230 questions and none of us could get them 689 00:30:39,750 --> 00:30:38,140 to say that no no cure cancer yeah 690 00:30:41,820 --> 00:30:39,760 whenever you press them on and when I 691 00:30:44,490 --> 00:30:41,830 said to them look can you pull it your 692 00:30:46,830 --> 00:30:44,500 side says this can you tell me how and 693 00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:46,840 then they started furiously backpedaling 694 00:30:51,510 --> 00:30:50,170 oh absolutely yeah it can help it will 695 00:30:53,430 --> 00:30:51,520 and then they started giving all the 696 00:30:55,950 --> 00:30:53,440 usual you know it's important mean 697 00:30:57,510 --> 00:30:55,960 system but the funny actually the funny 698 00:30:59,490 --> 00:30:57,520 thing about this doll which it we 699 00:31:02,669 --> 00:30:59,500 haven't really talked about much was the 700 00:31:04,799 --> 00:31:02,679 great displays of different waters and 701 00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:04,809 they had all this blue water all over 702 00:31:08,700 --> 00:31:06,850 the place yeah and I kept wanting I 703 00:31:11,220 --> 00:31:08,710 never actually got around to asking them 704 00:31:12,810 --> 00:31:11,230 why they had all this blue water there 705 00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:12,820 and in fact when you go to their website 706 00:31:17,460 --> 00:31:15,490 cuz I got so excited about it I actually 707 00:31:20,100 --> 00:31:17,470 he got excited actually i did i was 708 00:31:23,130 --> 00:31:20,110 doing i think i just reserve astounded 709 00:31:24,900 --> 00:31:23,140 at how so much nonsense could be peddled 710 00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:24,910 in one place oh I feel I've blood 711 00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:28,010 analysis on that piece of paper yeah 712 00:31:34,300 --> 00:31:31,130 sure I do get excited as ever pip am 713 00:31:37,090 --> 00:31:34,310 what was it they said that um the water 714 00:31:39,250 --> 00:31:37,100 oh they asked why does their water turn 715 00:31:41,260 --> 00:31:39,260 blue because because I wasn't sure if 716 00:31:42,730 --> 00:31:41,270 they were saying that here we go you may 717 00:31:45,730 --> 00:31:42,740 be wondering why elka life natural 718 00:31:47,620 --> 00:31:45,740 alkaline water turns blue and they say 719 00:31:50,770 --> 00:31:47,630 that it has undergone a pH test with a 720 00:31:52,780 --> 00:31:50,780 pH indicator solution if the water is 721 00:31:54,490 --> 00:31:52,790 alkaline the water will turn blue if it 722 00:31:57,070 --> 00:31:54,500 is acidic it will turn yellow and if it 723 00:31:59,410 --> 00:31:57,080 is neutral it will turn green so 724 00:32:03,760 --> 00:31:59,420 apparently only their water turns blue 725 00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:03,770 and this is just you know can adjust to 726 00:32:07,570 --> 00:32:05,330 read this little bit i just said to 727 00:32:09,970 --> 00:32:07,580 laughs um I've got this little fly here 728 00:32:11,650 --> 00:32:09,980 and it says water carries a message only 729 00:32:14,230 --> 00:32:11,660 those who have a thirst for life and a 730 00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:14,240 robust will to live will get it make 731 00:32:17,650 --> 00:32:15,650 sure you drink plenty of water and 732 00:32:23,980 --> 00:32:17,660 whatever you do don't let anyone blow 733 00:32:26,980 --> 00:32:23,990 your candles that's what it says don't 734 00:32:28,990 --> 00:32:26,990 let anyone blow you candles you know it 735 00:32:30,700 --> 00:32:29,000 was funny because this this water thing 736 00:32:31,750 --> 00:32:30,710 this alkaline water has been around for 737 00:32:34,090 --> 00:32:31,760 a while now but there were a lot of 738 00:32:36,340 --> 00:32:34,100 stalls at my body wallets selling it and 739 00:32:38,530 --> 00:32:36,350 I did come across a guy who have come 740 00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:38,540 across in the past and he sells this 741 00:32:42,820 --> 00:32:41,450 sort of um oh it's like a filter that 742 00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:42,830 you put on your taps and it's got a 743 00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:45,650 crystal in it and it pushes the water 744 00:32:51,330 --> 00:32:48,650 through at a high pressure and then the 745 00:32:55,810 --> 00:32:51,340 crystal modifies the structure of the 746 00:32:59,380 --> 00:32:55,820 oxygen and the hydrogen and he they all 747 00:33:00,940 --> 00:32:59,390 by the way had that book about you know 748 00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:00,950 if you freeze water with a happy words 749 00:33:05,260 --> 00:33:03,890 or sad words oh oh oh Japanese 750 00:33:07,690 --> 00:33:05,270 researcher here ma'am I can't remember 751 00:33:10,510 --> 00:33:07,700 have you heard about the no have you 752 00:33:12,550 --> 00:33:10,520 seen what the bleep do they know no okay 753 00:33:14,470 --> 00:33:12,560 don't just three hours of your life 754 00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:14,480 you'll never get back I like the venue 755 00:33:19,690 --> 00:33:17,930 in yeah I've any hands but worth 756 00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:19,700 well no she's not waste because you can 757 00:33:24,940 --> 00:33:22,130 stop the tape oh yes I didn't scream 758 00:33:27,490 --> 00:33:24,950 yeah no it's just some Japanese 759 00:33:30,700 --> 00:33:27,500 researcher who would take water put it 760 00:33:33,670 --> 00:33:30,710 in bottles write a word on a piece of 761 00:33:35,740 --> 00:33:33,680 paper for example angry stick that onto 762 00:33:37,690 --> 00:33:35,750 the bottle facing the water and freeze 763 00:33:41,529 --> 00:33:37,700 it and then look at the shape of the 764 00:33:43,239 --> 00:33:41,539 crystals now if you had angry you 765 00:33:46,180 --> 00:33:43,249 these crystals that were all like jagged 766 00:33:48,489 --> 00:33:46,190 and looking really angry and cranky but 767 00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:48,499 if you pasted the word happy the 768 00:33:52,509 --> 00:33:49,850 crystals would come out looking really 769 00:33:55,119 --> 00:33:52,519 sound the crystals can read yes that's 770 00:33:57,129 --> 00:33:55,129 right i see so all of these people had 771 00:33:58,869 --> 00:33:57,139 that book just line somewhere within 772 00:34:00,609 --> 00:33:58,879 their reach on their stalls i noticed 773 00:34:02,769 --> 00:34:00,619 that but there were the guy who i was 774 00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:02,779 mentioning who had the special filter 775 00:34:08,139 --> 00:34:05,570 that only cost 1700 dollars to install 776 00:34:09,490 --> 00:34:08,149 and the crystal moon was you know you 777 00:34:12,220 --> 00:34:09,500 didn't ever need to replace that it was 778 00:34:14,289 --> 00:34:12,230 for a lifetime when i asked him if it 779 00:34:16,119 --> 00:34:14,299 had any special powers or if it had you 780 00:34:17,859 --> 00:34:16,129 know any abilities to cure diseases he 781 00:34:21,369 --> 00:34:17,869 said he was smart about it and he said 782 00:34:23,649 --> 00:34:21,379 look I can't say that I don't think so I 783 00:34:25,270 --> 00:34:23,659 don't know unlike the other people here 784 00:34:27,579 --> 00:34:25,280 making those claims that's not something 785 00:34:29,950 --> 00:34:27,589 I would do but i can tell you it'll 786 00:34:32,109 --> 00:34:29,960 it'll give you more energy or something 787 00:34:35,470 --> 00:34:32,119 and he had the funny thing he had this 788 00:34:38,619 --> 00:34:35,480 graph right I love a good graph this 789 00:34:40,780 --> 00:34:38,629 graph stuck on the side of his stole and 790 00:34:43,180 --> 00:34:40,790 it had two lines that were sort of you 791 00:34:45,309 --> 00:34:43,190 know going up and down and the y-axis 792 00:34:48,460 --> 00:34:45,319 had numbers but it didn't say what they 793 00:34:50,919 --> 00:34:48,470 were referred to another the x-axis so 794 00:34:54,129 --> 00:34:50,929 just how this jaggedy lines oh that's 795 00:34:56,230 --> 00:34:54,139 right it was measuring your meridians so 796 00:34:58,359 --> 00:34:56,240 you drink this they'd measure your 797 00:35:00,849 --> 00:34:58,369 meridians before you drink the water and 798 00:35:02,620 --> 00:35:00,859 they'd be really dragging and angry like 799 00:35:04,150 --> 00:35:02,630 the angry water crystals and then you 800 00:35:07,260 --> 00:35:04,160 drink this water and they'd smooth out 801 00:35:09,670 --> 00:35:07,270 and I asked him about the meridian 802 00:35:12,010 --> 00:35:09,680 research and he said I'll look I didn't 803 00:35:14,380 --> 00:35:12,020 do that research so I can't tell you how 804 00:35:15,910 --> 00:35:14,390 it was done and I asked him if it was 805 00:35:17,980 --> 00:35:15,920 published anywhere and he said I can't 806 00:35:19,809 --> 00:35:17,990 tell you I don't know so he was too he 807 00:35:22,780 --> 00:35:19,819 was quite clever in that sense he didn't 808 00:35:25,950 --> 00:35:22,790 make any claims except you know by this 809 00:35:29,079 --> 00:35:25,960 seventeen hundred dollar magic filter 810 00:35:33,220 --> 00:35:29,089 but yes that water thing I just find it 811 00:35:35,500 --> 00:35:33,230 so bizarre I just every I'm just looking 812 00:35:40,349 --> 00:35:35,510 at the list of books that they recommend 813 00:35:51,670 --> 00:35:48,450 alkalies or die and let's not forget the 814 00:35:54,609 --> 00:35:51,680 book by sang Wang 815 00:35:57,579 --> 00:35:54,619 no no hang on I think I've got the wrong 816 00:36:00,069 --> 00:35:57,589 room on here but while you're looking 817 00:36:01,660 --> 00:36:00,079 through that list Joe here's a bit of 818 00:36:04,839 --> 00:36:01,670 biochemistry lesson for our listeners 819 00:36:07,870 --> 00:36:04,849 that completely blows this theory out of 820 00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:07,880 the water in our cells there are little 821 00:36:12,819 --> 00:36:10,970 compartments called lysosomes and they 822 00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:12,829 contain lots of enzymes that chew up 823 00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:14,690 proteins to get damaged to turn them 824 00:36:19,540 --> 00:36:16,130 over so your cells can renew themselves 825 00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:19,550 and they have lots and lots of enzymes 826 00:36:24,190 --> 00:36:21,410 about 50 different types of enzymes that 827 00:36:28,150 --> 00:36:24,200 you are proteins and they only work in 828 00:36:31,540 --> 00:36:28,160 an acid environment if the pH is above 829 00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:31,550 five they don't work anymore well so 830 00:36:36,099 --> 00:36:33,890 there you go if you drink so much of 831 00:36:38,319 --> 00:36:36,109 this water apparently if it apparently 832 00:36:42,720 --> 00:36:38,329 does get into your system if it can 833 00:36:45,430 --> 00:36:42,730 flood into your life is ohms and diet 834 00:36:48,250 --> 00:36:45,440 you can't recycle proteins anymore 835 00:36:50,500 --> 00:36:48,260 that's it yourselves a daddy opportunity 836 00:36:52,270 --> 00:36:50,510 gone exactly and they completely ignore 837 00:36:55,599 --> 00:36:52,280 the fact that the body has its own 838 00:36:57,670 --> 00:36:55,609 buffering sir Oh bicarb all I just don't 839 00:37:01,630 --> 00:36:57,680 know no forget that together we breathe 840 00:37:04,059 --> 00:37:01,640 off but yeah no look that's just not 841 00:37:06,069 --> 00:37:04,069 convenient directory memory i'm sorry i 842 00:37:08,740 --> 00:37:06,079 forgot yeah we're not talking about 843 00:37:10,390 --> 00:37:08,750 silently how can we tell our listeners 844 00:37:14,140 --> 00:37:10,400 about what happened when we went to the 845 00:37:20,589 --> 00:37:14,150 live but analysis oh we got moved on we 846 00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:20,599 got moved all of it um we asked him any 847 00:37:26,230 --> 00:37:22,970 questions I know they don't like 848 00:37:29,530 --> 00:37:26,240 questions no they don't oh they are I 849 00:37:31,539 --> 00:37:29,540 mean we were very very polite to them 850 00:37:33,789 --> 00:37:31,549 though very nice we were non 851 00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:33,799 confrontational no we mispronounced 852 00:37:39,579 --> 00:37:36,890 words like I don't know hemoglobin or 853 00:37:43,150 --> 00:37:39,589 funny what's that he made stuffing yeah 854 00:37:45,220 --> 00:37:43,160 yeah oh there's something else they kept 855 00:37:46,660 --> 00:37:45,230 referring to but no way we went up to 856 00:37:47,530 --> 00:37:46,670 them and you know we asked them what 857 00:37:49,809 --> 00:37:47,540 they were doing they they look very 858 00:37:52,150 --> 00:37:49,819 important cuz that a microscope oh yeah 859 00:37:56,150 --> 00:37:52,160 and at a computer screen and a computer 860 00:38:00,710 --> 00:37:56,160 science ii isn't it makes it all true 861 00:38:02,299 --> 00:38:00,720 yeah and really real and they know so we 862 00:38:03,589 --> 00:38:02,309 went up to the the guy there and we 863 00:38:04,970 --> 00:38:03,599 asked him if he could tell us a little 864 00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:04,980 bit about what they were doing and they 865 00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:07,530 had the nice shelf there with their many 866 00:38:14,630 --> 00:38:12,210 products that they were selling to their 867 00:38:17,180 --> 00:38:14,640 live blood analysis customers and we 868 00:38:18,589 --> 00:38:17,190 asked them all about what they were what 869 00:38:20,930 --> 00:38:18,599 they were doing and how it worked and 870 00:38:23,109 --> 00:38:20,940 the guy there was you know quite happy 871 00:38:25,130 --> 00:38:23,119 to answer all of our questions and I 872 00:38:27,260 --> 00:38:25,140 can't remember we asked him a lot of 873 00:38:29,390 --> 00:38:27,270 stuff about what sort of you know what 874 00:38:30,770 --> 00:38:29,400 it could be used for and and so on but 875 00:38:34,490 --> 00:38:30,780 the thing that really stuck with me was 876 00:38:35,630 --> 00:38:34,500 when we asked him how because what they 877 00:38:37,010 --> 00:38:35,640 do is once they do the like blood 878 00:38:38,089 --> 00:38:37,020 analysis if they take a real finger 879 00:38:39,650 --> 00:38:38,099 prick of your blood and they put it 880 00:38:41,500 --> 00:38:39,660 under the microscope and they have a 881 00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:41,510 look and they can diagnose all manner of 882 00:38:46,460 --> 00:38:43,410 allergies and just about everything 883 00:38:50,690 --> 00:38:46,470 under the Sun then it can accept nor 884 00:38:52,549 --> 00:38:50,700 stupidity I just wanted what's the 885 00:38:55,460 --> 00:38:52,559 difference between a live blood analysis 886 00:38:57,829 --> 00:38:55,470 and just a regular blood analysis well 887 00:39:01,039 --> 00:38:57,839 well there are actually branches of life 888 00:39:03,799 --> 00:39:01,049 blood analysis is also dead cell 889 00:39:05,660 --> 00:39:03,809 analysis so you live by dishes they take 890 00:39:07,519 --> 00:39:05,670 a drop of bodom they put it on the cell 891 00:39:10,549 --> 00:39:07,529 when this on the slide when the cells 892 00:39:12,019 --> 00:39:10,559 are still alive you could also do it by 893 00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:12,029 putting the blood on the slide and 894 00:39:16,670 --> 00:39:14,130 letting it dry out so that they die and 895 00:39:19,039 --> 00:39:16,680 the patterns that you get from that you 896 00:39:22,130 --> 00:39:19,049 can also diagnose so there are a couple 897 00:39:24,529 --> 00:39:22,140 of different ways to do it but if you're 898 00:39:28,789 --> 00:39:24,539 referring to the medical form well then 899 00:39:32,240 --> 00:39:28,799 you're on the wrong yeah it's nothing to 900 00:39:34,279 --> 00:39:32,250 do with medicine no except that it's got 901 00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:34,289 a microscope yeah what's the different 902 00:39:40,549 --> 00:39:36,450 what do they claim to be the difference 903 00:39:43,279 --> 00:39:40,559 between regular blood well likewise that 904 00:39:45,519 --> 00:39:43,289 they can buy the shape and the sort of 905 00:39:47,720 --> 00:39:45,529 arrangement of yours the red blood cells 906 00:39:51,019 --> 00:39:47,730 that they can diagnose certain 907 00:39:53,240 --> 00:39:51,029 conditions so if your cells sort of our 908 00:39:55,309 --> 00:39:53,250 or clumping together then they might say 909 00:39:57,410 --> 00:39:55,319 you've got too much cholesterol in your 910 00:39:59,809 --> 00:39:57,420 system or you've got virus infection or 911 00:40:02,450 --> 00:39:59,819 a bacterial infection and the way that 912 00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:02,460 we can fix that is oh look at this we've 913 00:40:05,620 --> 00:40:03,690 got all these supplements that we can 914 00:40:09,069 --> 00:40:05,630 sell you and that will fix your problem 915 00:40:10,720 --> 00:40:09,079 yeah they say here this is this is from 916 00:40:13,420 --> 00:40:10,730 a picture taken from one of our lovely 917 00:40:15,970 --> 00:40:13,430 alkaline water websites and they say 918 00:40:19,150 --> 00:40:15,980 here they've got a nice little picture 919 00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:19,160 of red blood cells and in one picture it 920 00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:20,690 looks like all the all the little cells 921 00:40:24,309 --> 00:40:22,130 are all clumped together like little 922 00:40:25,749 --> 00:40:24,319 worms Oh in the other picture they look 923 00:40:30,130 --> 00:40:25,759 like nice little brown have themselves 924 00:40:31,359 --> 00:40:30,140 or floating freely and it says the red 925 00:40:32,829 --> 00:40:31,369 blood cells and the first picture is 926 00:40:35,799 --> 00:40:32,839 sticking to one another showing signs of 927 00:40:38,890 --> 00:40:35,809 inflammation in the body well which 928 00:40:43,299 --> 00:40:38,900 really has nothing to lose enough you 929 00:40:45,700 --> 00:40:43,309 get after oh and it's really you know 930 00:40:48,730 --> 00:40:45,710 they just claim just just like all of 931 00:40:50,890 --> 00:40:48,740 the other vague ailments that they claim 932 00:40:54,279 --> 00:40:50,900 to be able to diagnose with every other 933 00:40:56,890 --> 00:40:54,289 you know but can actually call it blood 934 00:40:58,599 --> 00:40:56,900 analysis if it's not really well I 935 00:41:00,069 --> 00:40:58,609 looking at it under a microscope and 936 00:41:01,450 --> 00:41:00,079 their analyzer it's called lots of 937 00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:01,460 different things that sometimes it's 938 00:41:05,259 --> 00:41:03,170 called hema view which is a brand name 939 00:41:08,380 --> 00:41:05,269 sometimes it's called nutritional 940 00:41:10,420 --> 00:41:08,390 analysis it's and it's yeah it's called 941 00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:10,430 lots of different things but our 942 00:41:16,799 --> 00:41:11,930 listeners will probably be well aware by 943 00:41:18,970 --> 00:41:16,809 now that if there is some treatment or 944 00:41:21,309 --> 00:41:18,980 someone tries to sell you something that 945 00:41:23,559 --> 00:41:21,319 can cure a whole range apparently of 946 00:41:26,529 --> 00:41:23,569 diseases across a very broad spectrum 947 00:41:28,720 --> 00:41:26,539 then that's a very big red flag so I 948 00:41:30,630 --> 00:41:28,730 think we did see a live blood analysis 949 00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:30,640 stall that was saying that they could 950 00:41:38,079 --> 00:41:34,930 they could pick up aids HIV 951 00:41:40,299 --> 00:41:38,089 cardiovascular disease allergies you 952 00:41:42,130 --> 00:41:40,309 name it pick it out of a hat they can 953 00:41:43,630 --> 00:41:42,140 diagnose it and that's a very big red 954 00:41:45,490 --> 00:41:43,640 flag because you just can't with 955 00:41:46,240 --> 00:41:45,500 medicine and especially also with one of 956 00:41:49,529 --> 00:41:46,250 the things i find really interesting 957 00:41:52,390 --> 00:41:49,539 about all these any of these some 958 00:41:56,710 --> 00:41:52,400 treatments that claim to cure cancer is 959 00:41:58,359 --> 00:41:56,720 that you know i know that one of the 960 00:42:01,720 --> 00:41:58,369 things that science so desperately wants 961 00:42:05,019 --> 00:42:01,730 to be able to do is cured cancer is such 962 00:42:09,180 --> 00:42:05,029 an umbrella term not just one wash and 963 00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:09,190 then it's not like you know having 964 00:42:16,010 --> 00:42:13,850 influenza virus h1 h1 n1 there 965 00:42:17,990 --> 00:42:16,020 thousands of different types of cancers 966 00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:18,000 that behave in different ways and that's 967 00:42:21,050 --> 00:42:19,290 why we have so many thousands of 968 00:42:23,570 --> 00:42:21,060 different chemotherapy treatments and 969 00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:23,580 you know radiotherapy and everything and 970 00:42:28,010 --> 00:42:25,290 it's not something can be that can be 971 00:42:31,190 --> 00:42:28,020 solved by you know one scientist in 972 00:42:34,670 --> 00:42:31,200 laboratory you know finding one answer 973 00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:34,680 and at halls she wants the magic water 974 00:42:41,260 --> 00:42:37,530 water exactly mix is never here I know 975 00:42:44,630 --> 00:42:41,270 yeah yes all right well thanks girls 976 00:42:45,860 --> 00:42:44,640 thanks to sure to our girls for coming 977 00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:45,870 along tonight for this very special 978 00:42:53,780 --> 00:42:50,130 ladies only fee is that a derogatory 979 00:42:55,910 --> 00:42:53,790 term now ladies only no no I will take 980 00:42:57,380 --> 00:42:55,920 us klutz bedside professionals because 981 00:42:59,960 --> 00:42:57,390 we're all professionals Anthony 982 00:43:02,150 --> 00:42:59,970 professional wimps yes thanks Joe 983 00:43:04,490 --> 00:43:02,160 special thanks for joining thank you and 984 00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:04,500 thank you everyone for listening I'll 985 00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:24,039 calling all skeptics in Christchurch New 986 00:43:28,569 --> 00:43:26,690 Zealand now you too can enjoy the 987 00:43:31,390 --> 00:43:28,579 worldwide crease that is skeptics in the 988 00:43:33,069 --> 00:43:31,400 pub just head to the twisted hop on the 989 00:43:35,739 --> 00:43:33,079 second monday in june to meet other 990 00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:35,749 like-minded drinkers and 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